Posts by twinkle toes

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Volunteer Injured While Working On A Kingdom Hall Construction Site

by Bangalore in

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friends

http://www.globaltoronto.com/impaled+metal+after+victoria+crane+overturns/3329739/story.html.

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bangalore.

twinkle toes

On my local news they said that the Crane either drove too close to the edge of a wooden ramp it was on or the ramp gave out beneath him. Worksafe b.c. was sent out to investigate the accident but were turned away because they have no jurisdiction on a volenteer worksite. The news reported that it is unclear who if anyone will be held responsible for this accident.

I thought it was interesting that they turned away provincial safety investigators. Wouldn't you want them to make sure everything was safe so as to give a good witness? I guess if you were trying to clean up a faulty ramp you would need some time to get your stories straight and to send home everyone that was involved in it's construction.

P.S. He is alive and in recovery this morning.

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YOU TUBE My Jehovah's Witness Story: Raped By a Circuit Overseer

by Lady Lee in

interesting story.

this fellow needs encouragement to go to the police.

the co was later promoted to do .

twinkle toes

please post a comment encouraging him to go to the police.

I did

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YOU TUBE My Jehovah's Witness Story: Raped By a Circuit Overseer

by Lady Lee in

interesting story.

this fellow needs encouragement to go to the police.

the co was later promoted to do .

twinkle toes

Well said Cult Classsic

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YOU TUBE My Jehovah's Witness Story: Raped By a Circuit Overseer

by Lady Lee in

interesting story.

this fellow needs encouragement to go to the police.

the co was later promoted to do .

twinkle toes

put it there and then put your fathers name...

Wow I hadn't realized he had added a name. That is something. I don't believe that would be the right thing to do. This young man should have informed the police if he was prepared to give a name.

Of course as I said earlier it is hard to put yourself in someone elses shoes. I would be irrate if someone had accused my father of such a thing. Especially if it was done in a public way as this. I do not believe this person because they are an x-jw. I was sympathizing because they are a person, who to me looked like they were confused and in pain.

Unfortunetly I have close friends and family who hid abuse for up to 30 years before deciding to confess it to the brothers. I have seen how it eats them alive and they don't know how to tell, until one day they just have to say it.

Do you belive my accusation? yes no? why not? should anyone believe just because all hate the org?

How can I answer. Probably not, at first. Although I would definetly be asking me father about it. I would encourage him to go to the police and tell his side of the story if he said he was innocent. Why not? You always believe your loved ones are good even if they dissapoint you later.

thirdly, I don't know that I hate the" Org.". I am as dissapointed with it as I am a betrayal of a family member. I feel it deceived me, it violated my trust. I believe it is part of all false religion and give it no more or less blame than all the other people controlling institutions out there.

I believe anyone when they say they were abused, because my personality can not imagine wanted to lie about that. Trust! always my achillies heel.

What of an elder who is accused on more than 1 occasion, sometimes years apart, but no criminal case can be brought?

Again, I have too seen this happen. I think it is up to Elders to WANT to protect the flock. They don't seem to want to.

This is exactly like the story I told earlier in this thread. The brother was accused . The elders made it go away. He moved. Did he learn his lesson? Who knows? Who knows where he is now? I have a lot of regret about that.

So I don't have an answer. In my husbands Church of his youth they would bring the situation up to the cong. They would outright tell everyone what is going on in a public meeting and everyone would decide together what should happen. A bit like linch mob.But I have no better suggestions. At least if you wanted to accuse someone of something it would be doubtful you would lie to the whole cong.

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YOU TUBE My Jehovah's Witness Story: Raped By a Circuit Overseer

by Lady Lee in

interesting story.

this fellow needs encouragement to go to the police.

the co was later promoted to do .

twinkle toes

PaulAppolos

I guess what I meant is. I always assume someone is telling the truth first. When the issue is obviously of the sensitive nature as this I automatically feel sad for the person. Since I do not know either party involved I cannot choose who I think is who is guilty or who is lying.

I cannot imagine either having this done to me or choosing to make a You- tube video about it. But I do know people are all different and some people like to reach out in different ways. Perhaps this boy is telling the truth and just needs encouragement to tell authorities, or even his parents.

Either way it doesn't hurt me to give him sympathy.

In cases where some brother, lets say an elder, is accused of abuse, and the elders cannot "prove it" (even though, in my opinion, they should automatically report it to the proper authorities, so an impartial and exacting investigation can be done), what should be done?

The problem is that victims don't get directed to authorities and so an attempt to find out the truth is never made. In other cases of abuse when a report is made the authorities have a chance to talk to both accuser and acusee. They have an opportunity to reveal what really happened. Sometimes it is confessed by the perpitraitor and sometimes they go free, and sometimes it was all a hoax. The point is it is in the open. Thats where it needs to be. It should not be that victims are afraid to speak out because they will be doubted for the validity of their story.

It is NEVER the responsibility of the elders to " prove it". The Elder should be informed of the accusation and monitored while the police investigation is going on. What they do to the elder after that depends on the outcome. If the accusation is wrong Apologies should be made and every effort made to clear his name. If he was guilty he should be in jail.

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Overlapping Generations

by elder-schmelder in

i think that this explains it best !!.

one of the critical and most debatable assumptions we have maintained thus far in our arguments is the assumption of successive generations.

in other words, we have assumed that, every period, a new generation arises and the old one dies off.

twinkle toes

Truly I say to YOU that this generation - S = b u0(c10) + åt=1¥ [ut(ctt) + b ut(ct+1t)] - will by no means pass away until all these things occur.

This always how I understood it!
Elder Schmelder You always make things so easy to understand. Thanks!

I can see why you are an Elder. (sarcasm intended)

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YOU TUBE My Jehovah's Witness Story: Raped By a Circuit Overseer

by Lady Lee in

interesting story.

this fellow needs encouragement to go to the police.

the co was later promoted to do .

twinkle toes

Not believing this story is Rude at best. We should always believe victims until proven false.

Most likely it would be difficult to tell his story to a person and so talking into a video camera would be a bit like therapy for a young person not knowing what to do. He is probably looking for advise on how to go about bringing this to prosecution. Advise he will not get from his witness family.

When I was a young girl in the congregation, a friend and I reported a story that we were told by another girl about a very old brother(85) touching her thighs and kissing her in field service. We thought we were helping. That was until she was pressured into changing her story and my friend and I had priveledges removed for causing slander against older ones.( p.s. she told us later that it was true but she did't want to hurt his wife or her family) He put his house up for sale and moved within a couple weeks. Not after he tried to kiss me on the lips though. Who believes me? no one! not even my mom. They said I was bitter for being disiplined.

The old mans club is strong and elders stick up for each other all the time. Even though there were good intentioned brothers involved in this situation I was speaking of. Nothing came of it because in there words there was "no harm done'.

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How to secretly record an elders meeting?

by EndofMysteries in

one in which you are present, as if only one party is aware or doing it, it's legal.

is there a fairly inexpensive device can buy which either in a pocket or somewhere discreet can get a good recording of up to 2 - 3 hours?

(audio).

twinkle toes

The type of discussion I'm going to have is one that nobody has ever recorded, nor probably even had this type before.

Intriging.

No more clues?

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Got the new dvd

by twinkle toes in

well, i was just given the new dvd from the convention and i am trying to figure out if i should watch it or not.

on one hand i enjoy uncovering the hypocrisy, it's a good reminder as to why i am faded away.. on the other hand i dont know if i should waste my time watching crap.. thoughts?.

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twinkle toes

O.k. I watched.

It was really boring. It was also very selective (big shock). As Billy mentioned the lack of mention of Russel's wife was a little odd.

First they explain how there was dissapointment over the resurrection of 1914.Saying many left the truth over it. Then they say it was evident that Jehovah was backing the organization. NOT!! I think the fact that you have a major unfullfilled prophecy means Jehovah ISN'T backing you. Otherwise you might have got it right.

Also (as Billy mentioned) the Change in the Actor for Russel was odd. One minute he is this dashing young man and then he looks like Mr. Burns. Maybe the guy who was being young Russel decided to head to Hollywood to pursue an acting career. So they just picked someone new?

I made other notes But I have to go deal with my children now and will come back later.

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Got the new dvd

by twinkle toes in

well, i was just given the new dvd from the convention and i am trying to figure out if i should watch it or not.

on one hand i enjoy uncovering the hypocrisy, it's a good reminder as to why i am faded away.. on the other hand i dont know if i should waste my time watching crap.. thoughts?.

tt.

twinkle toes

Beer I knew I was missing an important component!

thanks!

I watched the first 10 min before the power on my portable dvd died. It was pretty annoying already.

It is always shocking to me how they put Martin Luther and other prominent folks from history in the same group as Russel. As if they were witnesses.

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